Reply With QuoteAnd his opinion seemed to insist that it was a rather risky, yet bold move.Originally Posted by Brian
But that's not what I was getting at. It was the same plan that I had outlined.
This is the key point. Will Cyborg add any buys on top of what Rousey would already be getting?
Plus, imagine if Cyborg was in that main event and put on a hell of a fight...Look what it did for Carmouche being in the spot light of the first ever WMMA UFC fight.
But if Cyborg can't even make 135 than the UFC has no use for her.
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And his opinion seemed to insist that it was a rather risky, yet bold move.
But that's not what I was getting at. It was the same plan that I had outlined.
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[QUOTE=airjasper;2010458]If Cyborg cant' make 135 then she's ****ed. Period. That 140 crap is nonsense.
But you are a fool if you think Cyborg/Rousey with the UFC hype machine behind it couldn't sell more then any other fight outside of Carano/Rousey.
Confirm what????
How does that refute what I posted? Did you even read the article you linked?
If anything, it confirms everything that everyone except you has been saying.
"UFC don't need anyone, at all." That's a direct quote from your managerial hero in the article you linked.
He admits his entire strategy is built upon a bunch of what-ifs & maybes. He even admits he mismanaged his own career. You & the other Tito worshippers will probably ignore that part, though.
Thanks for proving my point, LOL.
I do think it could sell more than anything outside of a Carano fight. What i'm not convinced is that if this fight happened 3 or 4 fights from now it would be any bigger than if they would have just fought at the last ppv...I don't see the amount of media going up for future Rousey fights.
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Tito is doing exactly what I said he was doing for the exact reasons that you claim wouldn't work. Christ you are thick. That quote is him being PC, or are you really that clueless?
Never been a Tito worshipper, but I can admit to being a fan of his back in the day. I've got a old school long sleave punishment shirt in the closet somewhere...deep of course.
Then you're just as dumb as Tito.
The argument had always been that there were too many what-ifs with the course of action they took. The article confirms it.
So, once again, how does the article that you linked prove me wrong???
...& to put some perspective on what they're holding out for...
Ronda's guarantee was for 45/45.
Cyborg's last contracted fight paid her 33/33.
The UFC won't sign her for more than what Ronda is paid.
The difference is 12/12.
As it stands right now, Tito has her earning less money in Invicta while they wait for an extra 24k from the UFC.
I haven't heard what Invicta is paying Cyborg but I'd be willing to bet that over the course of her 3 fights with them that she will lose more money than what she's holding out for.
Any way you slice it, that's not smart career management.
Now, go ahead, post another article that strengthens my position.
Ronda is listed at 45/45 but I'm assuming she's got a PPV cut or one hell of a all but guaranteed "back room bonus". Same thing goes for Carmouche's 12/12, Dana all but admitted to that in the post fight presser.
Obviously back room bonus type payouts aren't written into contracts but what I'm sure Tito/Cyborg are going for is more than Rousey's current 45/45. Ronda will probably have reworked her deal by the time Cyborg is done with her 3 fight Invicta deal. No clue what her new deal will look like but if she wins 1-2 more impressively then I've gotta assume it'll be into the 6 figures with a PPV cut (if she doesn't already have) and Tito/Cyborg will probably want something similar to her new deal than the old (current) one.
Not necessarily the smartest move, or what I would do, but I can see how it could POTENTIALLY work. If it doesn't (let's say Cyborg loses, Fans don't know/care about her etc) and she still comes back to sign with the UFC whatever her deal would be wouldn't be much lower than the 33/33 she's currently making anyways (if it's 25/25 that's only an 8/8 difference). Potential for major growth over her current deal could be there, financial downside (compared to her current deal) doesn't seem too bad besides the fact she could have raised her profile and reworked a deal by just fighting in the UFC to begin with.
Maybe she's using Invicta as a way to learn to cut weight or cycle properly before making the jump?? Who knows?
[QUOTE=xxxVALETUDOxxx;2010473]Apart from you alluding that it's self evident, you've failed to show that the market for women's MMA is significantly higher than what Rousey can grab against anyone. I'm not saying 500k buys per PPV (which won't have all the media hype), but if it falls into the 250k range.
Cyborg has one chance to be relevant, and that's if you start seeing significant drops in PPV buys that Rousey headlines. Even then it requires that Cyborg dominate Invicta, that Invicta gives Dana the right to footage of Cyborg Dominating, Cyborg testing clean throughout, and Cyborg making 135.
Effectively Tito has set up Cyborg's career as a Rube Goldberg machine. And it has to work right on the first run through.
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