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    Quote Originally Posted by Jackel585 View Post
    More like spoken by someone who wouldn't be here if the policies of today existed for my grandparents. I accept our original ideas behind our founding and Constitution, it would be hypocrital and illogical and immoral of me to not accept our original ideas of not only immigration but of what America is at the same time I defend our Constitution. Closed borders is very simply un-American and unpatriotic
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    Quote Originally Posted by Jackel585 View Post
    This is America, anyone that isn't a proven danger that wants in should be let in immediately. Let them declare their citizenship so we know they are here and leave it at that
    So why don't we just invite the entire 2nd and 3rd world population to the US? Then we can even further wreck our economy through welfare laws, we can wreck whatever is left of our ecosystem, and deplete all of our resources while we are at it.

    That will work out well.

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    Or, we can protect our boarders, maybe even pull all of our troops out of the middle east, put a bunch of them by Mexico and throw a wrench threw the drug cartels operation crossing boarders with drugs. Then maybe, just maybe the Mexicans would have a chance to recover a bit with a weakened criminal organization, and then they would rebuild instead of having to flee their country...

    While are at it, we can actually end the war on drugs and instead focus on who is going in and out of our country. Then the drug cartels would really get hit because legal businessmen would take their money and it would be much harder to cross the boarder. But that would actually help Mexico, so it wont happen. The problem isn't what to do with illegals, the question that we need to ask ourselves is why are they fleeing their country in the first place and how to fix that problem.

    Makes too much sense to ever happen. This is Amerika, if we can wreck our nation and screw other nations over with short term strategies while completely ignoring long term solutions, we will do it full force.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Time Warner View Post
    So why don't we just invite the entire 2nd and 3rd world population to the US? Then we can even further wreck our economy through welfare laws, we can wreck whatever is left of our ecosystem, and deplete all of our resources while we are at it.

    That will work out well.
    We should. From a humanitarian, a capitalist, or even a futurist view, we should promote competition between countries to attract citizens.

    From your response, it doesn't seem that your problem lies in immigration/open borders but rather with how the problem the US handles people within its borders.

    I am saying we need as near to open borders as we can safely have (from a security/safety standpoint) because of our history, our attempted moral high ground, our basis of existence as a country. Do we need to fix domestic policy at the same time? YES absolutely. However the more people we bring in, the more possible solutions to our problems, the more possible chance we have of becoming the almost unquestioned #1 country again, and the more likely our country enters a "golden age". We can't ethically or with integrity defend our right to free speech, our right to bear arms, or any of our rights, while turning away people from our country for non-criminal reasons.

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    ^I love how immigrants commonly say that they have they right to protect their country's boarder but the US doesn't because we Americans were once immigrants. They happened to forget that every country including their own nation has been established, then re-established, and then again re-established by migrations. Oh the hypocrisies.

    Want a history lesson on Mexico buddy? Or any other country for that matter? No country is any more righteous on this issue than another.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Time Warner View Post
    Or, we can protect our boarders, maybe even pull all of our troops out of the middle east, put a bunch of them by Mexico and throw a wrench threw the drug cartels operation crossing boarders with drugs. Then maybe, just maybe the Mexicans would have a chance to recover a bit with a weakened criminal organization, and then they would rebuild instead of having to flee their country...

    While are at it, we can actually end the war on drugs and instead focus on who is going in and out of our country. Then the drug cartels would really get hit because legal businessmen would take their money and it would be much harder to cross the boarder. But that would actually help Mexico, so it wont happen. The problem isn't what to do with illegals, the question that we need to ask ourselves is why are they fleeing their country in the first place and how to fix that problem.

    Makes too much sense to ever happen. This is Amerika, if we can wreck our nation and screw other nations over with short term strategies while completely ignoring long term solutions, we will do it full force.
    This all makes a lot of sense. And I think it would work. So why does it never happen? Or even get discussed?

    Because they don't want to end the War on Drugs. It's another money maker. Again, it doesn't matter who the President is. It's never happened, it isn't happening now and it won't happen in the future. Not even if YOU were president

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    Quote Originally Posted by Jackel585 View Post
    We should. From a humanitarian, a capitalist, or even a futurist view, we should promote competition between countries to attract citizens.

    From your response, it doesn't seem that your problem lies in immigration/open borders but rather with how the problem the US handles people within its borders.

    I am saying we need as near to open borders as we can safely have (from a security/safety standpoint) because of our history, our attempted moral high ground, our basis of existence as a country. Do we need to fix domestic policy at the same time? YES absolutely. However the more people we bring in, the more possible solutions to our problems, the more possible chance we have of becoming the almost unquestioned #1 country again, and the more likely our country enters a "golden age". We can't ethically or with integrity defend our right to free speech, our right to bear arms, or any of our rights, while turning away people from our country for non-criminal reasons.
    Where we dissagree is that you make is seem like the larger of a population, more solutions will be solved, more problems will fixed, the world will become a better place, etc... That is simply not true though. Overpopulation causes big problems. If we gave everybody from the 3rd and 2nd world a free ticket to America, trillions would come in a second, they would demand TONS of welfare (and get it), healthcare, buldoze farmlands, etc... The list goes on forever practically.

    It is simply not sustainable. That is the bottom line. We all want to live in a perfect utopia but that is not going to happen, or at least not until be make some sort epic scientific discoveries that change humanity. You can not have the cake and eat it. Best that we can do is stop screwing the world over financially (and oh we are), promote trade and non-interventionist policy, lead by example, and most importantly: take care of ourselves. If we can not take care of ourselves, we can not take care of the entire world.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Time Warner View Post
    Where we dissagree is that you make is seem like the larger of a population, more solutions will be solved, more problems will fixed, the world will become a better place, etc... That is simply not true though. Overpopulation causes big problems. If we gave everybody from the 3rd and 2nd world a free ticket to America, trillions would come in a second, they would demand TONS of welfare (and get it), healthcare, buldoze farmlands, etc... The list goes on forever practically.

    It is simply not sustainable. That is the bottom line. We all want to live in a perfect utopia but that is not going to happen, or at least not until be make some sort epic scientific discoveries that change humanity. You can not have the cake and eat it. Best that we can do is stop screwing the world over financially (and oh we are), promote trade and non-interventionist policy, lead by example, and most importantly: take care of ourselves. If we can not take care of ourselves, we can not take care of the entire world.
    *meant to say billions, not trillions.

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    Quote Originally Posted by PatSox View Post
    This all makes a lot of sense. And I think it would work. So why does it never happen? Or even get discussed?

    Because they don't want to end the War on Drugs. It's another money maker. Again, it doesn't matter who the President is. It's never happened, it isn't happening now and it won't happen in the future. Not even if YOU were president
    If Ron Paul was president, he would have ended the war on drugs...

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