I'm not saying and even clarified that I believe Anderson doesn't take risks. Getting in the cage and having somebody trying to punch you while you punch them is a risk. However, you claimed many times that GSP fights within himself and never opens up and takes risks. GSP does not Guida guys, he is active on top and just being in the guard of BJ Penn, Jake Shields, and Carlos Condit is a risk in and of itself. Posturing up, creating space, and then coming back with punches is a "risk" as well. It just so happens that GSP's skill set allows him dominating top control. He is fighting where his game is the strongest, he just doesn't have the GnP that Jon Jones does or the finishing capability of Anderson.Originally Posted by OliG83v.2
Your argument is that he fights within himself which implies that you believe he just fights where he is comfortable and that equates to little risk. I applied that same logic to Anderson only using stand-up instead of top control b/c that is Anderson's strength. When Anderson faced Maia, the stand-up discrepancy was like when GSP faced Hardy on the ground. There was no real fear of Maia rocking Silva or Hardy subbing GSP. GSP passed guard, went to side control, had mount, and went for subs but he set it up first. That is the same thing Anderson does, he sets his guys up but uses more flash.
Just because Anderson doesn't come in the ring with hands at cheek bone only throwing crisp 1, 2s and kicks doesnt mean he isn't fighting safely. Switch kicks are legitimate techniques, as are knees and flying knees, if there is an opening there is inherent risk but there is inherent risk in going for a TD and getting guillotined.
It comes down to our interpretation of "risk-taking" and what that should involve: every punch you throw runs the risk of being countered, every TD you attempt is a risk in being stuffed/KO'd/Subbed, every sub attempt runs the risk of being reversed and losing position, every attack while grappling runs a risk of bring turned on you. Your argument is that GSP stays in a "comfort zone" where he has the greatest chance of winning while minimizing his possibility of losing AND I AM SAYING so does Silva. He fights where his strength is and if you want a very conservative definition of risk-takin then both guys are I you wanna liberal definition then neither guys are but somebody like Wanderlei would be, and our definitions fall further apart on the spectrum.
Anderson does absolutely nothing that he thinks will not yield the highest, most efficient result and that includes elbows, flying knees, switch kicks etc. He does everything in his comfort zone, it just so happens he can KO people while in that zone.
I for one enjoy Anderson's style of fighting more but I am able to take my hate goggles off when talking about other fighters. Why don't you just say you want GSP to be more aggressive? Hat would simplify our argument. If you did say that, I missed it.
Last edited by Floyd1982; 01-29-2013 at 08:17 PM.
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Just funny how you quote everything else I post except for that. Look at how unbelievably small that number of finishes is. 4 finishes between 5 guys in 104 fights. Me thinks that GSP can't stop anyone these days because he isn't pounding on the likes of Sherk, Hughes, Serra, or Trigg...
Floyd covered the whole fighting safe and risk taking thing perfectly.
Last edited by airjasper; 01-29-2013 at 10:51 PM.
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I'm really tired of this ****, what do you guys want me to say?!
I've said it plenty of times I want GSP to fight more aggressively! You just choose not to see it!
Ok, well seriously I'm tired as f*ck of this. It's a complete waste of my time, it's like arguing with a rock!
You guys win (via exhaustion), GSP is a f*cking uber killer, he smashes people, leaves them bloody and battered, I love him, I'm gonna fight jasper for the right to have his babies!
It's just so sad that these days, in some fans eyes there is the same amount of risk in posturing up to land some GnP as there is in standing there with your hands by your waist, dodging punches like the freaking matrix!
I guess it's just when I was growing up "top control" never figured to highly in many of the fights I had/watched?!
War GSP.
Last edited by OliG83v.2; 01-30-2013 at 02:33 AM.
GSP by decision...
BTW Floyd, that "more flash" Anderson uses?! Yeah that's called RISK!
GSP holding someone down whilst they can't do **** all to him is just like Anderson throwing jumping switch kicks and flying knees! Teh risk in both activities is EXACTLY the same!
Get the f*ck out of here. anyway, as I said I'm really tired of this BS.
I seriously can’t believe people are trying to deny that GSP fights safe and doesn’t adopt a low risk strategy!
GSP is 100% a "smart & safe fighter" who tries to take as little damage as possible but while still winning the fight, its as simple as that, he is a "where can I take the fight so I don’t take damage" type of fighter and has perfected his skill set to do this, which is no fluke, the guy is damn good!
Is GSP dominant, is he a great mixed martial artist? YES he is damn good, is he a "fighter"?? No, but he'll be champ for years and will make millions of dollars so fair play to the guy, he is head and shoulder above anyone at 170... He's no Guida but where is the innovation??
Anderson tons of innovation, Jones was evolving every single fight at one point... GSP has fought the same fight for the last 4 years and it’s a damn effective fight but come on its safe!
Anderson = Innovative
GSP = Effective
Jones = Dominant
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STOP TALKINTG SH*T!!! He postures up at least 2 times a round!!!!
THAT'S TEN TIMES A FIGHT!!! I honestly think that's the most risky we've ever seen people be in mma?!!!
Posturing up >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Flying knees
Posturing up 2 times a round! Man that puts Pettis show time kick into perspective, that kick was a % kick, lands 95% of the time, no risk at all!
Posturing up means certain death by arm-bar or triangle! GSP has soooooooooome huge balls!!!
Pettis needs to take more risks!
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Stop comparing stand up and it's inherant risk of getting knocked the f*ck out with posturing up and it's inherant risk of having someone wrap their legs around your neck!!!
The latter is FAR more dangerous!
Ill chime in and say this. Theres a huge difference in fighting safe and fighting low risk fights. imo at least. is GSP a "safe" fighter to me?? no. but does he employ a low risk fighting style, of course.
nothings wrong with it, we should like more fighters to use more brain power than brawn power. both of these guys mentioned in this thread Anderson, and GSP are the most "brainy" fighters in the game and its no surprise at their level of domination. and its also no wonder why some feel both are safe guys.
If gsp fights a whole fight using a certain game plan and it keeps working, he will continue to use that same style to get the decision, even if the fight is clearly going his way and the finish is there he probably wont go for the kill. tell me the last time he through a punch with bad intentions..or through a power shot period. power shots open you up big time to counters and he doesnt throw um.
But at the same time, did he stand and trade shots with Condit, yep.....did he pepper kosh with some super nasty jabs and good foot work yep. so i cant say he's a "safe" fighter because "safe" would be to just keep taking folks down from the jump, he actually brings in a game plan.
to me he's just as cerebral as Anderson just in a different way. but honestly i think both guys and jon jones kinda got that mike tyson effect, where they actually beat their opponent before the fight even starts just off of name and hugeness of fights. its no secret their opponents always seem to just not be fighting right, and make simple mistakes and not seem to use their strengths. condit is a better, purer striker than gsp all day any day......i couldnt tell watching um fight.
Bonner is a waaay more accomplished boxer than Anderson will ever be, but he sure as hell stood right in front of anderson throwing simple, sloppy shots.
the mind is their biggest weapon, i enjoy watching fighters like that.........aalot of folks dont though. and i get it.
remember fighting is a science. it might not seem like it but it is. and usually the smarter guy in the cage/ring wins.
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