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[Straight_Crown]

so you're saying that it's ok for a brown person to have pride in their skin color, but it's not ok for a white person to be proud of their skin color due to other people's conceptions?

sorry, but that's a double standard.

I don't think he's saying anything about not being able have pride in your heritage. Of course you can be proud of where your family originated. But what he is saying is there is a HUGE difference in the interpretation of "white pride" and "brown pride." When people see Brown Pride, they see it as someone being proud of their heritage. Where as when someone sees White Pride, 9 times out of 10 the first thing they are going to think of is white supremacy, racism, neo-nazi, etc. Is it fair? Not really. But it has been so often used by the supremacist type whites, that the two will always be associated, whether it is meant that way or not.

[goordie]

Except you're making an apples / oranges comparison.

The phrase "White Pride" is not taken to mean, by the majority of people, "A particular pride in my own ethnic background". It's taken to mean, because of common usage, "A feeling of racial superiority to non-White people, and a desire to see that racial superiority made practical in terms of official power."

The phrase "Brown Pride" is taken to mean, by the majority of people, "A particular pride in my own ethnic background."

These are not phrases with equivalent meaning. Thus it is appropriate that different standards are applied to them.

Now, change "White Pride" to "Italian Pride" or "Irish Pride". Those have an equivalent meaning, and if one were to praise one and denounce the other, it would be a double standard.

But saying two things that aren't the same aren't the same isn't.

Also, it's physically impossible for us to treat every person on the planet as an individual. (Look up Dunbar's number for more info.) We judge 99.99%of the people we meet based on the most surface characteristics.

Has "White Pride" historically been a KKK thing or was it just "White Power"? I had never even heard of White Pride being a slogan for white supremacy until it beeing used as a counter example to Cain's tat. I obviously know it's origins predated Cain (lol), but was it an institutional slogan of hate groups before "[Whatever minority race] Pride" came about, or was it possibly a response to that? That would be important in deciding if it's "too racist", or just a bad rationale for doing something.

I have a hard time believing there aren't plenty minorities out there who would get these tattoos that don't hate other races. I believe Cain doesn't, but that's just a judgment I've rendered from his persona. The possibility of being wrong is there however. This isn't apples and oranges, because you know you are getting an apple when you bite into an apple, and you know you are getting an orange when you eat an orange. You don't know what kind of person you are getting with a "[Whatever race] Pride" tattoo. I refuse to sweepingly generalize anybody as either "pride[ful] in own ethnic background" or as a white supremacy lover. There shouldn't be a factor added to decide if something is a double standard or not.. in this case it would be a historical factor. But there could be some other factor (like a statistical one, or others). That's why the double standard exists in the first place.

I looked up Dunbars number and I'm not really sure how you'd want me to apply it here, but I'm not trying to judge every person on the planet as an individual because I can't know every person on the planet. Everybody will know a select number of people throughout there life and they should just judge those select few as an individuals, not judging before they even know them by some preconceived notions. If I met one person with "White Pride" and one person with "Black Pride" (2people<Dunbars 150), then I would get to know what they are about before assigning one assumption that's equitable for their motivation behind having it and the other with an inequitable assumption in contrast to what I gave the other.

[suckerfree]

^^^do a bing search on the two words White pride , then do one for brown pride. im thinking youll see a differense and youll also see why white pride is grouped in with white power. the phrase only. that should be enough to understand why youll never see it on anyone in the ufc mlb nfl ect.

[goordie]

^^^do a bing search on the two words White pride , then do one for brown pride. im thinking youll see a differense and youll also see why white pride is grouped in with white power. the phrase only. that should be enough to understand why youll never see it on anyone in the ufc mlb nfl ect.

I already did a search to see what I can find and it seemed there wasn't really any helpful pieces that describe the origins of white pride. I know white supremacy websites will NOW use white pride along with white power on their websites, but that has been covered in my last post (is it a response to other Pride slogans or a carried on tradition of racism within the particular phrase?).

The web provides a murky view to me and it's not something I'm interested in spending much time on. I'm surprised to not find more information seeming concrete. Just a lot of opinion pieces and banter.

[Lord Garth]

Nice one Garth,,,glad to see you still got the klan in ya buddie.

Here's the thing dumb dumb: there is not only no klan in my whole bloodline, but zero slave owners in my geneaology. In fact my ancestors were duped into fighting and dying for the freedom of blacks. That's gratitude for ya.

you should get an award for shooting out complete bullshlt, then tail tucking and running away. thats twice youve done it. but now i see.....your just delusional.

Delusional? So MLK's FBI fle was NOT sealed to cover up any degenerate or criminal activity?

Or maybe you have a better explanation for it being sealed? In fact, can you think of a single revelation re: MLK that's positive? The only facts to trickle out over the years are embarrassing to the King legacy

Or how about the good old "civil rights movement." Tell me all about how they peacefully marched around singing hymns, instead of vandalizing and behaving as unruly mobs.

you somehow think what you just posted isnt racist...

My dear good man, it would be racist to learn the truth about Corruption Luther King Jr, and go on pretending he was something other than a sellout and a disgusting human being. Can you not understand that? What blacks don't realize is that the only non racists around are the whites who are telling you all to get off your worthless asses and make something of yourselves.

The liberals all think you're dumb animals, so they just try to take care of you like pets "There there, Fido... that's right he's just raaaacist. You just sit here on the porch and enjoy your EBT like the dumb animal you are."

"Voted democrat again? Good doggy, there will be an extra WIC check in your doggy bowl next month." [pats you on top of your head] "Neat! Feels just like the soft side of velcro. You're so cute! I love the way you dance, and boy is your singing voice strong! You know who I love? Oprah. Oops lookit the time I have to get home now, give me one of those 10 part high fives.... slippity-slap slippity-slap-slap oh I'll never get that right. Long live the struggle"

ur the ONLY person in the world that thinks reagans war on drugs was won and successful.

You got this as wrong as you got Martin Donkey Kong and civil rights. I said there was nothing wrong with the "just say no" campaign and indeed drug use among youngsters dropped during that time. Hardly a war won, but also not deserving of all the mocking that the Just Say No campaign gets.

i kinda feel sorry for you

That's how libs feel about your people. It should be insulting to you, but instead you all look up wth puppy dog eyes and say "Yassuh everything bes hard for us. Your world frightens and confuses us and we need your help."

[xxxVALETUDOxxx]

^^^do a bing search on the two words White pride , then do one for brown pride. im thinking youll see a differense and youll also see why white pride is grouped in with white power. the phrase only. that should be enough to understand why youll never see it on anyone in the ufc mlb nfl ect.

Woah.

This is far more deep then a google search. I hope for your own sake that you are kidding.

EDIT: So I did it for shats and gaggles and I can tell you this...

There is a demand for White Pride merch that is not being filled like the Brown Pride merch is.

Brown Pride even has it's own website.

[suckerfree]

first off Garth this will be my last response to you. once again you shoot out nonsense and decide to not show anything to back up what your saying.

of course MLK was watched ny the fbi, he was opposed to the governments stance on segregation and UNequality. he opposed the gov. so that would go without saying that the gov would watch him....they also deemed him a radical too, you know the same gov. at the time who wanted blacks to stay seperate from whites. so your point of him being a criminal is just wrong. if it isnt, tell some of his crimes, go ahead garth. list all the evil things he did. this whole board will wait o.k.

im not going to stoop to your level of insults, it serves me no purpose. one read of the nonsense you shoot out will clearly show your deck is short of a few cards plus your VERY racist.

your posts in this thread make you look very stupid Garth. b/c the civil rights movement wasnt that long ago. alot of the people who were marching and protesting are very much alive TODAY. LOL your sitting here talking like it happend 100s years ago, "there wasnt camera phones back then" lolol....dude the people who were marching both white and black are still liveing. alot of them. you do know MLK died in 1968 dont you....not 1868. so believe me if there were more "violent marches" and "cities burning" in just 1960-75 uh, dont you think we'd all know aobut it. oh let me guess, it was covered up. all of america covered up the "secret" killings that mlk set up,, and the cities that "burned down" in just the 60's were magically built back up, riiiiight???

out of all of the footage weve all seen on civil rights, some how the burning cities never pop up??? you can keep trying to get under my skin with you racist remarks but garth, you not smart enough to get to me, especailly tellling me about history when that **** happen in the 50s,60s,70s......hell i was born in the late 70s.



and no you did say the war on drugs was succesful,,,and that the just say no worked. both things have been proven to be extremely WRONG...the just say NO campaign became a joke. and you say it doesnt deserve mocking. once again your on your mental island all by yourself. you do know that at that time crack became an epidemic,and forever changed the world. you also know aids was spread at that time like wild fire and needle use through drugs was a huge part of that. you also do know the introduction of ice and meth as a mainstream drug came into play. during the 80's gang crime and drug sales were at an all time high. i could go on but youd just choose to ignore the facts. the biggest joke of that whole campaign was telling kids to just say no.....thats it. and the dare program, who many drug addicts at the time said "they learned about the drugs they use through dare" they had to redo dare completly.


and as far as me voting and my people voting, once again your making yourself look dumb with your blanket statements. should i name you well known black republicans?? not politicians either but athletes singers and actors.

go ahead, respond with bull**** and insults. but it will fall on deaf ears and blind eyes. i wont respond to you anymore. im done with you now. bye

[suckerfree]

Woah.

This is far more deep then a google search. I hope for your own sake that you are kidding.

EDIT: So I did it for shats and gaggles and I can tell you this...

There is a demand for White Pride merch that is not being filled like the Brown Pride merch is.

Brown Pride even has it's own website.

nope i wasnt kidding. and its not that deep. its quite simple actually. if you did do a bing search google search for simpley white pride. then you yourself saw most of the responses were white supremacy. was it not??? cuz i also did. now that should be all you need to know on how the world views the term white pride white pwer. that should also tell you why it wouldnt be a good idea to allow those tattoos in the UFC.

as far as brownpride having its own website, once again....the TERM brown pride doesnt have that evil double meaning.


ive come to the conclusion, some folks dont want to understand this. its not that hard to comprehend or understand. if you cant understand how THE TERM just the term white power white pride, brings up images of racism, then yousimply dont want to accept it.

If you simply bing, google the term white pride, and most of what you get is neo nazi ****, then you did one for brown pride and you see NO RACIST responses that should be enough to understand how that PHRASE is used. but hey if you cant see that, no amout of explaining will do it.

[jamesod]

Woah.

This is far more deep then a google search. I hope for your own sake that you are kidding.

My entire internet life is based on the premise that there is literally nothing worth knowing that is "too deep for a google search."

[xxxVALETUDOxxx]

nope i wasnt kidding. and its not that deep. its quite simple actually. if you did do a bing search google search for simpley white pride. then you yourself saw most of the responses were white supremacy. was it not??? cuz i also did. now that should be all you need to know on how the world views the term white pride white pwer. that should also tell you why it wouldnt be a good idea to allow those tattoos in the UFC.

as far as brownpride having its own website, once again....the TERM brown pride doesnt have that evil double meaning.


ive come to the conclusion, some folks dont want to understand this. its not that hard to comprehend or understand. if you cant understand how THE TERM just the term white power white pride, brings up images of racism, then yousimply dont want to accept it.

If you simply bing, google the term white pride, and most of what you get is neo nazi ****, then you did one for brown pride and you see NO RACIST responses that should be enough to understand how that PHRASE is used. but hey if you cant see that, no amout of explaining will do it.

I feel the exact same way, that you yourself do not want to accept that it is a double standard. You've used media and now the internet to try and tell me that you are proving a point. This is beyond that.

Meanwhile, I'm using real life examples. I do not care what some rednecks in Montucky claim on the internet. I live and was raised in a true melting pot. Go do a couple months behind bars and see what the true meaning of "Pride" is. It's pure shit from any side of the fence.

It's actually sad that we can't just all put the past behind us, realize that people were just that fucking ignorant and move on. Instead, we continue to talk about the past as if it can ever be more then a memory and continue to let it sway or thoughts in the now, which just makes it continue on in the future.