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[xxxVALETUDOxxx]

@Valetudo,, if you grew up in the 80's and in American then NO, your race wasnt deemed a lesser race. And you grew up in L.A ...in the 80's-90's. Do a quick google search on the LAPD's actions towards minorities during that era, things you didnt have to deal with on the same degree as any minority, as much as you would like to think you do or did, you cant..and didnt. i will say you might however know what it feels like to be in a minority, but those are 2 diff things.

I was too young to worry about LAPD unless I was walking around with a bag of whatever on me or pulling some shady ****.

What you don't understand is that I was the minority in these places.

not to mention the images the media were putting out about minorities and the list can go on. so although you might know what its like to be a "minority", you didnt know what its like being a "lesser" race growing up anywhere in America. Now if you grew up in Nigeria or North Korea i could understand but that isnt and wasnt the case.

White was considered the lesser race during this time. Did you not go to school back then?

And you seem to keep either missing my point or dodging my point. not sure which one it is..?? i keep saying, and its been pointed out to you by someone else that i keep saying "you can wear a white pride", its well within your right to do so. let me say it one more time. You can wear a white power tatoo, with white pride in the back ground if you want to. no one but you and other folks who want to make this a big problem say you cant.

Thats because your point is not a valid one. You CAN'T wear a white pride tattoo and get a fight in the UFC. Let alone be put on billboards and pushed to the moon.

Heres the point you seem to miss. Although it may be well within your right, its also well within anyone elses right to say, and feel how they want about that white pride tatoo.

I get that point just fine and I agree with that. I'm one of the people that will say what I feel about a white pride tattoo and that it's too proud. I know the mentality behind it and it's garbage.

Now instead of saying"its a b.s double standard", the easy thing to say mind you.

The reason it's easy to say is because it is 100 percent true. If Cowboy Cerronne had a White Pride tattoo across his chest, he wouldn't have ever fought under the Zuffa banner.

you should instead find out Why it brings out anger and disdain.

I know why...and it should be respected that the same disdain will be given to any other race that claims superiority. No? If not, then why? Because of a double standard.

now after finding out the reason, and that reason was started by white poeple as a fear mechanism you can understand why its not a double standard.

Where does history show that it was white people that started this?

a guy sleeps with a mill girls, hes a player
girl sleeps with a mill guys she a slut...........double standard

Nope. Playing the odds. A woman can get dick anytime of day, night, twice on a holiday. A woman can ask a guy is he wants to **** at a gas station at 3 am.

Now...if a guy were to ask a girl if she wanted to **** at a gas station at 3 am, he may be arrested...or worse.

Double standard you say?

guy sleeps with a mill girls, hes a player
girls sleeps with a mill guys, yells out im a slut..forces folks to call her slut, has rallies yelling "im a ho" (notice how its not im a slut) gets called a slut.....not a dbl standard

He's a player? Or a likely candidate to be on AIDS medications for the rest of his life?

Let's get real here. Who calls that guy a player other then other guys that are either trying to do the same or wishing they could do the same? Are self respecting people calling him a player? The answer to that is no, they are not.

10 years later, that same girl can wear an "im easy" shirt. well within her right, but if someone looks at that shirt and thinks of her being a ho or slut are they wrong??

Do you realy think that is at all relevant to what we are talking about?

Are you using nukkanometry?

[Brian]

The idea that context is irrelevant, and thus it's a double standard for black pride/brown pride/Mexican pride to not have the same connotation as White Pride is foolish.

The current understanding of what people mean when they say White Pride is based entirely on how the term has been used for decades if not centuries. It was racist whites claiming racial superiority who turned the perception of White Pride, not the actions of any minority group.

It's like the swastika. Sure it was once a symbol of peace, but it was tainted, likely forever, by the Nazi party. Don't blame people for seeing it's most common meaning, rather than some alternate meaning you might apply to it.

[Toehold]

The idea that context is irrelevant, and thus it's a double standard for black pride/brown pride/Mexican pride to not have the same connotation as White Pride is foolish.

The current understanding of what people mean when they say White Pride is based entirely on how the term has been used for decades if not centuries. It was racist whites claiming racial superiority who turned the perception of White Pride, not the actions of any minority group.

It's like the swastika. Sure it was once a symbol of peace, but it was tainted, likely forever, by the Nazi party. Don't blame people for seeing it's most common meaning, rather than some alternate meaning you might apply to it.

That seems a very relevant comparison to me.

I actually had a friend who I knew was anti semetic, but I just tried never to bring it up and ignore the fact cause I liked him, but one time I remember him saying "you know, I should be able to sport a swastika if I want to, all it means is that I am proud of the fact that my cousins were Aryan Germans, not that they happend to be Nazis in WW2" (yet he also said he was proud of them despite what they did cause they were his relatives).

He actually said that shiit, and it was pretty hard for me to resist talking about what his relatives did to mine, but I managed to let it pass.

Same thing is true I think to a somewhat lesser extent with the Confederate Flag: you can argue all you want that the Confederacy and The Civil War weren't mainly about slavery and you will almost certainly be correct. However, it is one of the most common connotations it has and to many people's mind brings up thoughts of bigotry. In an ideal world maybe that wouldn't be the case, but you can't blame people for thinking about that shiit when they see it.

Now, I really don't understand how that is really all that different than expecting someone to not see the usual connotation in "white pride" when it's said??

It isn't like there is something wrong with "white pride" if that just means caucasion pride, but words (as well as symbols) have the meanings they do because of history and how they have been used for a certain period of time.

I guess you would call this discussion a mixture of sociology and linguistics:

Words and terms take on a meaning over time because they have been constantly used that way, so the popular conception of what they mean is what it is.

There isn't the same connotation wrapped up in black power or brown pride as in white power for obvious historical reasons.

So I don't see it as being a double standard because like it or not, if you sport a white power tattoo you know exactly what people are going to think.

Really, the question is this in regards to why Cerrone can't be in the UFC with a white power tattoo and Cain can be in the UFC with a brown Pride tattoo:

If anyone is asked, "do you think the average person will have more negative and racist connotations to the term 'white power' than 'brown pride' " anyone would answer "yes".

Double standard?

Maybe, but life is full of them.

Bottom line to the UFC is that they will lose money because people will freak out if they have a fighter sporting a white pride tattoo and they won't with a fighter sporting a brown pride tattoo.

We know the historical reasons this is the case, we can complain about them all we want, but these have the connotations that they have for very real reasons and to blame the UFC in this case would be stupid. If you want to blame someone, blame, I don't know, the KKK, white supremacists, a whole lot of people, but don't blame the UFC, they are simply looking out for their bottom line.

You can argue that it shouldn't be the case that society sees a "white pride" tattoo that way, and I'd agree that in an ideal world that would be true, but this isn't an ideal world.

[Floyd1982]

So it is better to just be overly PC when you are white then it is to where something about your heritage with pride while trying to re-educate numb-skulls about the history of our country? Got it....

I think people should be more open about talking about this issue rather then considering it taboo. The ignorant people are the people who throw out the "you're a racist" card as soon as the status quo is questioned. Instead, lets have a frank discussion about it. It was t just the south that had Jim Crow laws, the whole country is guilty of discriminating against blacks, why should the rebel flag get called out while Lincoln gets praised?

I fully support someone rocking the rebel flag and I'm not going to automatically assume them to be racist just like I won't automatically assume a [insert race here] pride tattoo means the person who wears it is racist.

[jamesod]

So it is better to just be overly PC when you are white then it is to where something about your heritage with pride while trying to re-educate numb-skulls about the history of our country? Got it....

I think people should be more open about talking about this issue rather then considering it taboo. The ignorant people are the people who throw out the "you're a racist" card as soon as the status quo is questioned. Instead, lets have a frank discussion about it. It was t just the south that had Jim Crow laws, the whole country is guilty of discriminating against blacks, why should the rebel flag get called out while Lincoln gets praised?

I fully support someone rocking the rebel flag and I'm not going to automatically assume them to be racist just like I won't automatically assume a [insert race here] pride tattoo means the person who wears it is racist.

^^^^ Racist.

[Toehold]

So it is better to just be overly PC when you are white then it is to where something about your heritage with pride while trying to re-educate numb-skulls about the history of our country? Got it....

I think people should be more open about talking about this issue rather then considering it taboo. The ignorant people are the people who throw out the "you're a racist" card as soon as the status quo is questioned. Instead, lets have a frank discussion about it. It was t just the south that had Jim Crow laws, the whole country is guilty of discriminating against blacks, why should the rebel flag get called out while Lincoln gets praised?

I fully support someone rocking the rebel flag and I'm not going to automatically assume them to be racist just like I won't automatically assume a [insert race here] pride tattoo means the person who wears it is racist.

I get what you are saying and no, I'm not saying it's better to be "overly PC", I'm saying, in reference to the Brown Pride/White Pride thing, that the UFC isn't crazy for wanting to follow their bottom line.

I don't really care all that much about the rebel flag thing, being a "yankee" I don't see it much around here so I bet if I was from the South and saw it a lot I'd realize that most people sporting it aren't bigots and it would bother me even less, which again, I don't really care all that much about it one way or another.

On the other hand, if I see someone with a Swastika tattoo do you expect me not to get offended or be at least a little bit taken aback when my relatives were killed by Nazis only 75 years ago??

That's a more extreme issue, but nevetheless, one could make the argument like my friend did that he was "just proud of his German history" and that's why he wore it and that he also was just trying to "re-educate" people, and I don't buy that for one second.

So the whole "PC thing" can definitely be taken too far, but the whole "I'm going to re-educate people" thing can also be taken too far, especially cause in some cases it's just not going to happen and you are only going to piss people off. So if that's what someone wants to do, then fine, but if they wear a swastika armband and expect people NOT to think they are racist and not for it to effect their employment with a company and who chooses to associate with them, then that's just plain naive and stupid.

As far as the UFC, I still don't blame them for wanting to protect their bottom line.

[ocmmafan]

This entire tattoo thing is hilarious. When asked about his tattoo Cain talks about his dad, his proud Mexican heritage (lol) and sports a Mexican flag when he walks in the ring. Cain's dad illegally snuck into this country (multiple times as he was repeatedly caught and sent back) to flee the ****-hole Cain now has so much pride for.

Brown Pride? More like Brown Shame. But a Brown Shame tattoo is still well ahead of the White Guilt tattoo a lot of you little nancy sheeple need.

[purekane]

Haha.. Poor Cain. Homeboys a model citizen, but he's a racist for having a tat

that means he's proud to be a Mexican. I guess a flag would've been

less offensive? I'm not a fan of tattoo's, but we know Cain for

beating every type a dude ..... from Kongo to Lesnar. And

guess what? They all get the same treatment.


Pull your skirts up ladies, your slips are showing.

[Floyd1982]

I get what you are saying and no, I'm not saying it's better to be "overly PC", I'm saying, in reference to the Brown Pride/White Pride thing, that the UFC isn't crazy for wanting to follow their bottom line.

I don't really care all that much about the rebel flag thing, being a "yankee" I don't see it much around here so I bet if I was from the South and saw it a lot I'd realize that most people sporting it aren't bigots and it would bother me even less, which again, I don't really care all that much about it one way or another.

On the other hand, if I see someone with a Swastika tattoo do you expect me not to get offended or be at least a little bit taken aback when my relatives were killed by Nazis only 75 years ago??

That's a more extreme issue, but nevetheless, one could make the argument like my friend did that he was "just proud of his German history" and that's why he wore it and that he also was just trying to "re-educate" people, and I don't buy that for one second.

So the whole "PC thing" can definitely be taken too far, but the whole "I'm going to re-educate people" thing can also be taken too far, especially cause in some cases it's just not going to happen and you are only going to piss people off. So if that's what someone wants to do, then fine, but if they wear a swastika armband and expect people NOT to think they are racist and not for it to effect their employment with a company and who chooses to associate with them, then that's just plain naive and stupid.

As far as the UFC, I still don't blame them for wanting to protect their bottom line.

I'm not one that would rock a rebel flag but being from the south, I can definitely see it being a source of pride and it has nothing to do with slavery. I also think comparing the civil war to the nazi regime is a pretty sh!tty analogy when you start compare them. The nazi regime was wiping out an entire race while being the aggressors from the get-go. The south was trying to peacefully exit the union but it was a tyrranical president that forced the war at their doorstep. It was never about hating a race or holding a race down, that happened all over America and it wasnt' right. That is not even a close comparison....

[airjasper]

I think somebody in the UFC should get a "Human Pride" tattoo across their chest. Then everybody can hug it out.



If Cain regrets it so much, can't he get it covered up? Maybe get "hash" tattooed infront of brown. Then nobody could be offended.