Reply With QuoteI've seen that map; bet you have too. How do you suggest that this overlay more accurately frames the argument?Originally Posted by CatSmasher
^Intellectual dishonesty.
Democrat voters are ignorant, stupid, and cannot look ahead into the future beyond the first of the month, but democrat politicians are Asiatic, forward thinkers who understand that the useless cockroaches on welfare are outbreeding the real people in all of the red states and within a generation will vote away all rights we have left
Also: I do presume to know your motivations, and here's why
because you've elucidated them on numerous occasions, dumb ass, as have I mine. The difference between us is that you lack honesty, which is a typical difference between liberals and people of honor
If Fedor was still ducking everyone, half the forum would have him at #1 and insist that JDS has no chance against him
I've seen that map; bet you have too. How do you suggest that this overlay more accurately frames the argument?
F.A. Hayek's work is a good starting point for the intellectually curious.
An unimpeachable classic work in political philosophy, intellectual and cultural history, and economics, The Road to Serfdom has inspired and infuriated politicians, scholars, and general readers for half a century. Originally published in 1944—when Eleanor Roosevelt supported the efforts of Stalin, and Albert Einstein subscribed lock, stock, and barrel to the socialist program—The Road to Serfdom was seen as heretical for its passionate warning against the dangers of state control over the means of production. For F. A. Hayek, the collectivist idea of empowering government with increasing economic control would lead not to a utopia but to the horrors of Nazi Germany and Fascist Italy.
Why isnt this book EVER mentioned in college?F.A. Hayek's work is a good starting point for the intellectually curious.
An unimpeachable classic work in political philosophy, intellectual and cultural history, and economics, The Road to Serfdom has inspired and infuriated politicians, scholars, and general readers for half a century. Originally published in 1944—when Eleanor Roosevelt supported the efforts of Stalin, and Albert Einstein subscribed lock, stock, and barrel to the socialist program—The Road to Serfdom was seen as heretical for its passionate warning against the dangers of state control over the means of production. For F. A. Hayek, the collectivist idea of empowering government with increasing economic control would lead not to a utopia but to the horrors of Nazi Germany and Fascist Italy.
<-------Waiting for some **** bird to spend 15 minutes googling, find a professor at one of the 3 Universities in the world that aren't fully communist who has mentioned it, and cry "pwnd"
If Fedor was still ducking everyone, half the forum would have him at #1 and insist that JDS has no chance against him
It takes a whole lot of knowledge to become a professor; none of it has to be true.
If voter mandates dictate spending regionally, the argument for succession seems meaningful. If redistribution occurs across red and blue states the argument is less valid.
So, if a voter base is not represented, and program spending is unbalanced, succession makes sense.
I am not defending Obama, or democrats in particular as I am no fan of federalism. I just don't have all the details for the US context and thought someone could share it with me.
I will find my syllabus from 2nd year political philosophy and then cry pwnd. Assuming it is still amongst the horde of paperwork I have kept for no good reason. If I can't I will take picture with my copy including my notes in the margin.
Garth, I don't see where I have been dishonest, even in this context. I have not seen the map I asked about and was curious, if you found one it would only further your case.
The differences between you and I are not so stark, and I don't think its fair for you to call me a coward because we have conflicting ideologies.
I see your point. However, a very, very large portion of the spending reflected in red state payouts is due to military bases, oil company subsidies, and farm subsidies. Libertarians, and to a growing extent conservatives, disagree with all of these programs as they are wasteful and problematic for a number of reasons. Another thing you see is that a good portion of the states, maybe 1/3rd, have an pay-in/pay-out ratio of roughly 1:1. So, why pay-in 4 billion to the fed to, in return, recieve 4 billion from the fed?
The urge to revolt as reflected in these petitions is evidence of what many feel is rapidly becoming a heavy-handed centralized power that simply swoops in and takes over at the first sign of trouple, and also forces continental compliance with radically new and completely unclear programs dispite popular disapproval. Even with the re-election of Obama, his healthcare law is looking at a 49% disapproval number vs. 41% approval. Many of the big bank bail outs as well as TARP and the stiumuls bills and quantitative easing were even less popular and less clear, but railroaded none-the-less. It seems that a percentage of the population feels that the central powers on the east coast are attempting, rather successfully, to consolidate and fortify their control over the inner workings of the economic, regulatory, and legal framework of this nation in the face of popular and, at times, lively resistance.
So, back to the map, it appears that a handful of dense urban centres and government/union industries are very much in control of our collective fate. One natural reaction to that is to attempt to, or express an interest in, reclaiming one's own fate.
But here you inadvertently admit that you understand perfectly that the welfare crowd votes overwhelmingly for Obama, even in red states, yet you were playing dumb as if you didn't understand that; trying to attribute some sort of hypocrisy to red staters by implying that they hate welfare while being its primary beneficiary.
That's a dishonest argument, and that's why I accused you of being dishonest.
Fair enough. many can call me a coward, and many do. "garth you fear PROGRESS!" Indeed I do, because i think we're progressing towards death campsThe differences between you and I are not so stark, and I don't think its fair for you to call me a coward because we have conflicting ideologies.
If Fedor was still ducking everyone, half the forum would have him at #1 and insist that JDS has no chance against him
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