Rogan FINALLY Gets his BJJ Blackbelt!

[boboplata2.0]

Budo, by Rodrigo you mean Reylson's son?

didn't he demoted himself to brown & trained with renzo for his black?

[Godzilla]

funny that Mir got his for breaking Sylvia's arm...

it was laughed at for a while.

then he broke Nog's arm.

hahahaha

Frank Mir is very legit. His Master, Sergio Cunha, was a great BJJ fighter. He almost defeated Rickson in Rio on the 80's (the fight was interrupted due to lack of energy when it was 6-0 to Cunha - some say it was a move from the family for Rickson to recover - and Rickson subbed him when they got back on the mat).

[Godzilla]

didn't he demoted himself to brown & trained with renzo for his black?

I could not answer that, but it's possible. Reylson style was more orientated to personal defense than to sport jiu-jitsu.

[boboplata2.0]

Frank Mir is very legit. His Master, Sergio Cunha, was a great BJJ fighter. He almost defeated Rickson in Rio on the 80's (the fight was interrupted due to lack of energy when it was 6-0 to Cunha - some say it was a move from the family for Rickson to recover - and Rickson subbed him when they got back on the mat).

ummm...sergio cunha is a muay thai coach.

you mean this guy.

http://www.bjjheroes.com/bjj-fighters/sergio-penha



jumped from purple to black just so he could compete with rickson.

[Randall]

None of us know Joe personally.

Theres no reason for anyone here to be happy for him.

I lol'd at this. But nonetheless, good for Joe.

[Godzilla]

ummm...sergio cunha is a muay thai coach.

you mean this guy.

http://www.bjjheroes.com/bjj-fighters/sergio-penha



jumped from purple to black just so he could compete with rickson.

You're the man, Bobo! I always change the Penha for Cunha and vice-versa...rs...must be the aging...

[boboplata2.0]

You're the man, Bobo! I always change the Penha for Cunha and vice-versa...rs...must be the aging...

you're a blackbelt right? you got your name on their database?

[Toehold]

Ok I have one question to pose. If I sign up to compete in say NAGA I can't compete as a wight belt in GI BJJ because I have to much grappling experience. Even though I have never taken a class in a GI. I have however been sub-grappling for 7 years so I therefore cannot compete as a white belt per their rules. If I go to a legit BJJ school they will make me start from white belt and rank up as per their rules. So my question is how is this fair? I am a legit white belt in GI BJJ and have never taken a legit BJJ class, yet I have been grappling for years. I have won MMA fights and sub-grappling matches all in shorts. I actually do have black shorts with a white belt (reverse BJ Penn style) that I wear to fight in.

And this is EXACTLY the problem I am talking about.

You are NOT a white belt in BJJ (or rather BJJ "beginner/novice" which is SUPPOSED to be what that signifies) despite the fact that you have never worn the Gi and you will beat White Belts easily, maybe even blues and purples, I mean, you have 7 years of grappling, that's how long it took me to get my purple belt.

That's why I propose a No-Gi ranking system.

BJJ is BJJ with or without the Gi.

Yes there are differences, but overall there are a lot more similarities than differences.

IMO it is the same art with or without the Gi, just 2 variations of it like Speed Chess and Chess are 2 variations of Chess.

[Budo]

Budo, by Rodrigo you mean Reylson's son?

Yup, but I initially knew him as Renzo's cousin. He was in NYC at the time training at Renzo's.

[Kris the Greased Pig]

Congrats to Joe, it's a great accomplishment.

Toe, I hear where you are coming from, but when you mention American Brazilian JuJitsu it makes me laugh a bit. Does that mean if your style came here I would be learning Canadian American Brazilian JuJitsu?!? . (couldn't resist, it sounds odd when you say/write it in full!). Changing the name to Modern JuJitsu or something similar would be much better IMO.

Coming from a Traditional JuJitsu base I don't think the gi should be taken out of BJJ belts at all. I think that no gi should be taught as well, but as a subset, not as a different art. After all, the Brazilians did create the art, they should be able to define it, despite what others in different countries think. I also do not understand how BJJ get away with so few takedowns/throws!! The traditional base is filled with hundreds of variations able to get the opponent down, but that is their style so who am I to say.

I feel that a formal test is the proper way to gain rank. I was a week away from my black belt in TJJ when I broke my legs. I haven't returned to practice due to my limitations and sensitivity issues. I was offered my belt in honor of my time and experience, but turned it down due to wanting to earn it in front of my peers. I understand that each school has the right to choose how they give belts, but this is how I feel. Until my black belt I stalled on belt testing until I felt comfortable even though I knew the curriculum well. I wouldn't feel comfortable calling myself a black belt unless I can also say that I earned it, but something like breaking Timmy's arm can earn the rank as well.



That is all.....