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    I'm stoked the Sox shed a bunch of payroll and are looking to revamp this team, but I don't see us winning more than 90 games this year. Its a tough call as to how competitive we will be and a lot hinges on the starting pitching bouncing back. The offense is mediocore and we have some real questions marks starting this season.

    This is how I would set the lineup:

    1. Ellsbury, CF
    2. Victorino, RF
    3. Pedrioa, 2B
    4. Ortiz, DH
    5. Napoli, 1B
    6. Middlebrooks, 3B
    7. Drew, SS
    8. Gomes, LF
    9. Salty, C

    Pretty weak. Big question marks at the bottom half of the order and we will probably bat Ortiz 3rd in reality. We also have real health concerns with Pedrioa, Ortiz, Napoli and Drew penciled in as starters. The bench is medicore.

    Rotation: Lester, Dempster, Buchholtz, Doubront, someone else maybe Lackey

    Lester had a terrible season last year but its not like he was pitching without velocity like a Lincecum. Not sure what happened but he is stil capable of being a #1. Dempster got lit up in the real league so I don't expect a lot out of him - maybe 14-11 with a 4.40 era. Anything better would be a plus. Buchholz has never impressed me but I do think Doubront could be a solid middle of the rotation starter. I guess we may get Lackey back but that dude is probably done. Bottom line - our rotation is pretty weak and maybe the worst in the division.

    Bullpen: Hanharan closer, Uehara, Bailey, Aceves, Bard, Miller, Tazawa

    Hanharan is an upgrade at closer and we have a lot of great arms in set-up. This is a very strong unit and arguably one of the best in baseball. Unfortunately, when your starters suck, your bullpen wears down by September.

    On paper, this is a very average team with a lot of question marks. I'll hope for the best but we are clearly behind Tampa and NY, and probably behind Toronto and Baltimore. Could be another year in the cellar.
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    Did you see the early odds to when the WS?! Toronto was a 4/1 fav to win.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Tapout2.2 View Post
    It hurts for sure. But at this point, I don't think it matters. I think this season is going to prove that this old team is in line for a rebuilding mode period.

    I think don't think we make the playoffs this year.
    I wouldn't say rebuilding. Once they get past the luxury tax year, they'll be spending again. Although, I really want to see what our prospects can do in the coming years. I really want Sanchez, Williams and Austin to work out

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    Quote Originally Posted by ocmmafan View Post
    I'm stoked the Sox shed a bunch of payroll and are looking to revamp this team, but I don't see us winning more than 90 games this year. Its a tough call as to how competitive we will be and a lot hinges on the starting pitching bouncing back. The offense is mediocore and we have some real questions marks starting this season.

    This is how I would set the lineup:

    1. Ellsbury, CF
    2. Victorino, RF
    3. Pedrioa, 2B
    4. Ortiz, DH
    5. Napoli, 1B
    6. Middlebrooks, 3B
    7. Drew, SS
    8. Gomes, LF
    9. Salty, C

    Pretty weak. Big question marks at the bottom half of the order and we will probably bat Ortiz 3rd in reality. We also have real health concerns with Pedrioa, Ortiz, Napoli and Drew penciled in as starters. The bench is medicore.

    Rotation: Lester, Dempster, Buchholtz, Doubront, someone else maybe Lackey

    Lester had a terrible season last year but its not like he was pitching without velocity like a Lincecum. Not sure what happened but he is stil capable of being a #1. Dempster got lit up in the real league so I don't expect a lot out of him - maybe 14-11 with a 4.40 era. Anything better would be a plus. Buchholz has never impressed me but I do think Doubront could be a solid middle of the rotation starter. I guess we may get Lackey back but that dude is probably done. Bottom line - our rotation is pretty weak and maybe the worst in the division.

    Bullpen: Hanharan closer, Uehara, Bailey, Aceves, Bard, Miller, Tazawa

    Hanharan is an upgrade at closer and we have a lot of great arms in set-up. This is a very strong unit and arguably one of the best in baseball. Unfortunately, when your starters suck, your bullpen wears down by September.

    On paper, this is a very average team with a lot of question marks. I'll hope for the best but we are clearly behind Tampa and NY, and probably behind Toronto and Baltimore. Could be another year in the cellar.
    Is there ANY chance this team even sniffs at 90 wins? Not to sound like a dick but I think 75-80 wins for this team would be a successful season. The AL East isn't what it was even a few years ago but all the teams besides BSox still have a pretty good chance to make the playoffs.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Dr. Doom View Post
    Is there ANY chance this team even sniffs at 90 wins? Not to sound like a dick but I think 75-80 wins for this team would be a successful season. The AL East isn't what it was even a few years ago but all the teams besides BSox still have a pretty good chance to make the playoffs.
    It is hard to find way to be optimistic but I think they can be a .500 team. I give them about a 15% chance at winning 90 games just because baseball is a little bit unpredictabe. It is the worst team they have had in over 10 years though and I admit that.

    I think they are better than Baltimore, but its close.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Tapout2.2 View Post
    Did you see the early odds to when the WS?! Toronto was a 4/1 fav to win.
    I couldn't find any betting sites with those numbers. best case was 7 to 1 favorites which they should be. look at this lineup

    SS: Jose reyes
    LF: Melky Caberera
    RF: Jose Bautista
    DH: Edwin Encarnacian
    3B: Bret Lawrie
    1B: Adam Lind
    CF: Colby Rausmas
    C: JP Arencebia
    2nd: benifco

    Starting Rotation:
    RA Dickey
    Brandon Morrow
    Mark Buerhle
    Josh Johnson
    Ricky Romero

    Bullpen
    JA Happ
    Steve Dalembar
    Brad Lincoln
    KC Janssen
    Sergio Santos
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    Quote Originally Posted by nicknobitch View Post
    I couldn't find any betting sites with those numbers. best case was 7 to 1 favorites which they should be. look at this lineup

    SS: Jose reyes
    LF: Melky Caberera
    RF: Jose Bautista
    DH: Edwin Encarnacian
    3B: Bret Lawrie
    1B: Adam Lind
    CF: Colby Rausmas
    C: JP Arencebia
    2nd: benifco

    Starting Rotation:
    RA Dickey
    Brandon Morrow
    Mark Buerhle
    Josh Johnson
    Ricky Romero

    Bullpen
    JA Happ
    Steve Dalembar
    Brad Lincoln
    KC Janssen
    Sergio Santos
    On paper, that team does look pretty solid.

    The rotation could be anywhere from A+ to C-. Dickey and Johnson are in for a surprise pitching in the AL east vs that weak NL crap they faced, Morrow is a health risk with a ton of upside and Romero looked terrible last year. Buerhle fills out a rotation but is no monster and won't have an ERA below 4.3 in Toronto.

    I would rate the bullpen as a C though and not nearly as high as you do.

    1-5 the lineup is loaded but 6-9 is nothing special. More topside then bottom to the 2nd part of the lineup but we'll see. Toronto fans definitely have something good here and if healthy, they should be an exciting team. I'll be taking overs when they are at home.

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    Quote Originally Posted by ocmmafan View Post
    It is hard to find way to be optimistic but I think they can be a .500 team. I give them about a 15% chance at winning 90 games just because baseball is a little bit unpredictabe. It is the worst team they have had in over 10 years though and I admit that.

    I think they are better than Baltimore, but its close.
    Yeah I certainly don't think .500 is out of the question. I think they'll be a little under that but like you said baseball is pretty unpredictable. Who would have thought the O's would do well last year (or going a few years back the Rays almost going from worst to first)

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    I gotta say for the first time in a long time, The Yankees aren't favorites in the AL East. I would say the best 2 teams are the Jays and Orioles. We'll see how it shakes out though

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    Quote Originally Posted by nicknobitch View Post
    I couldn't find any betting sites with those numbers. best case was 7 to 1 favorites which they should be. look at this lineup

    SS: Jose reyes
    LF: Melky Caberera
    RF: Jose Bautista
    DH: Edwin Encarnacian
    3B: Bret Lawrie
    1B: Adam Lind
    CF: Colby Rausmas
    C: JP Arencebia
    2nd: benifco

    Starting Rotation:
    RA Dickey
    Brandon Morrow
    Mark Buerhle
    Josh Johnson
    Ricky Romero

    Bullpen
    JA Happ
    Steve Dalembar
    Brad Lincoln
    KC Janssen
    Sergio Santos
    It weasnt from a betting site. ESPN writers. Saw it on sportscenter.

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