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SGM3000
10-26-2008, 01:13 PM
Quite lame.
People asking why Anderson didn't demolish Cote in under five minutes? People wondering where "the real" Anderson was? He was right there in the cage!
Anderson feeling people out is not a new thing, and if you believe it is you must have forgotten that important fact- been clouded by the memories of the finishes rather than how they wound up happening.
Anderson's dancing around isn't new. He does it to get a feel for his opponent's rhythm, and when he gets his opening he unloads through it.
You guys down talking Anderson's performance should be talking Cote's performance up instead. He didn't present any big openings for Anderson to bust through.
He did better than expected, but that's because of his improvements, not because of Anderson's lack of skill or ability, and it certainly doesn't mark a point where people could say Anderson is starting to "slip".
I saw Cote using good footwork, and switching his stance consistently to prevent Anderson from getting comfortable. He did a great job in that regard. He didn't do a great job actually hitting Anderson (much), but he did a very good job of keeping Anderson from getting range established and getting comfortable working from any specific angle.
Save the shit talk about Anderson (I don't think his extending a hand to "help" Cote up was a dickhead move, I thought it was his way of saying "Lets finish this on our feet.") and give Cote his props.
I don't think he was on his way to any sort of victory, but he did a heck of a lot better than most anyone else who's been in there with Anderson since he's arrived in the UFC.
B_Amazing
10-26-2008, 01:14 PM
Come on man, we don't need 100 threads about the same topic
Cactaoki45
10-26-2008, 01:16 PM
He thinks hes the RJJ of MMA. Hes even said it. But atleast Roy didnt prance around doing nothing for a 10 minute period.
De-Tron
10-26-2008, 01:17 PM
Nobodys talking about how they performed, there talking about why anderson chose to dance around for 3 rounds without fighting. Everyone saw the same thing, theres not much to even argue about.
cpa5oh
10-26-2008, 01:20 PM
^^ Right...it doesn't matter that he didn't take Cote right out...what matters is that he did basically nothing all the way until it ended and some guys on the forum think we should be appreciative of getting to see him do nothing with style.
SGM3000
10-26-2008, 01:29 PM
I started this thread B_Amazing, and it will still be here when the others have dropped away.
This fight ended with a freak injury, and it was supposed to be a five round affair. Anderson had plenty more time to work with, it was Cote's knee that ended the fight- but I don't think people actually did see the same thing I did.
I think the bitchers are dissing Cote's game more than anything. If you know striking, you saw him doing a good job keeping Anderson from getting established.
The bitching is not warranted here, as had Cote's knee survived- he would likely have been taken down in the fourth and finished on the ground.
G-wiz
10-26-2008, 01:33 PM
SGM, I guess their are some sane people in the world after all. I think theres only a few of us left.
All the "bitchers" are being pretty disrespectful and ignorant here. There was nothing wrong with that fight. I was loving it up until the anti-climatic ending.
zakath
10-26-2008, 01:36 PM
Silva chose to dance, imo, because Cote wasn't giving him much for openings and wasn't getting goaded into foolish attacks on Silva that would leave him wide open. When Cote left an opening Silva hit it damn near every time. Cote was executing a pretty intelligent game plan and looked a lot better than most guys I've seen in the ring with Silva, it's a fucking shame to have it end that way. Cote must feel terrible being a warrior and having his title shot end in that way.
epwar
10-26-2008, 01:40 PM
Look at last night's fight versus Anderson against Franklin (X2), Lutter, Marquardt, and Henderson and tell me that wasn't disappointing. Anderson brought the fight to those guys. Last night, I don't know what he was doing.
RipDimebagD.
10-26-2008, 01:43 PM
I have to concur with SGM here I was loving that fight up until the injury. I thought both fighters did a good job working thier own game plan. Props to Cote for not walking in there already beat up mentally like so many before him have.
You and guys liek G-Wiz have your opinions. I am not saying they are wrong. I would say my opinion is opposite spectrum.
I'm not saying Anderson was being "disrespectful", but that was a horrible fight. And he was definitely acting out of character.
As with most arguments/discussions, the truth is probably somewhere in between.
I saw the fight, and I saw something odd. Anderson landed damn near everytime he threw. So all this talk of Cote not giving any openings is a bit much. A good fighter can also create openings with feints, jabs etc. Anderson is that fighter.
We all know he's a great fighter and SEEMS like a great guy. But his performance last night was VERY questionable. I don't think he is above criticism.
sco703
10-26-2008, 01:46 PM
We are well aware that Anderson feels out his opponents. But he wasn't himself. I donj't think he was completely focused. At least I think he wanted to do a little showboating. But I think part of it was how Cote was able to take what Silva threw at him.
cpa5oh
10-26-2008, 01:47 PM
I thought Cote did pretty good and I think there is a chance he caused Anderson to fight like that and try and BS his way through it.
buffaloblue
10-26-2008, 02:00 PM
Anderson moved to number 11 in my new MW rankings.
Simply do that tonight was not a top 10 performce.
Signed,
The average mma fan.
SGM3000
10-26-2008, 02:01 PM
I don't see how keeping himself out of bad positions against an opponent who had the best footwork of any opponent to date, is out of character for a fighter as intelligent and seasoned as Anderson is.
You speak about Anderson landing whenever he threw, that's nothing new. The difference here is that Cote didn't give him openings nearly as often as other opponents have in the past. When there was an opening, Anderson took it. They were just fewer and further between than they were against previous opponents. That's good on Cote, not bad on Anderson.
The ending of this fight left a bad taste in a lot of people's mouths, I get it. I just think that if we had the benefit of the final three rounds, people would have seen Anderson shift gears and win the fight on the ground if Cote didn't give him a good opening on the feet. He did explode with that knee that opened Cote up as well, which he launched when there wasn't much opening at all.
I also don't think Anderson was out of character. He's danced around in a lot of his fights. His planted foot bobbing and weaving against Rich Franklin looked like breakdance fighting, but no one said that was disrespectful......
I'm certainly not saying he's above criticism, I just think that Cote isn't getting enough credit.
Yeah, people mocked his confidence before the fight, but it turned out to be realistic.
OmoPlataV3
10-26-2008, 02:05 PM
Fuck this shit.
Anderson looked like crap last night. Pure and simple, end of story.
Everyone watching saw it... Why some others dont, i dont know.
Oh, and that fight sucked ass...
Im not being an asshole, im just stating it like it is.
AND...him helping Cote up IS a dickhead move. If you are in a MMA class (yes, i know most of you dont train) and someone does that while going live, its considered disrespect.
G-wiz
10-26-2008, 02:08 PM
Look at last night's fight versus Anderson against Franklin (X2), Lutter, Marquardt, and Henderson and tell me that wasn't disappointing. Anderson brought the fight to those guys. Last night, I don't know what he was doing.
You mean when Anderson lost the 1st round to Lutter and Hendo?
You mean how he beat Nate with a COUNTER? Nate was pressing for the takedown.
You mean how he countered Dan when Dan came AT HIM wildly?
You mean how he triangled Lutter when Lutter took HIM down?
Dont see ANY difference with this fight. In fact, he performed better all being said as he never lost a round...or took a punch is this fight.
He exploded when there was an opening , just as he did against he others. 1) There werent as many openings and 2) Cote didnt go down when he did.
So again, dont see how this was any different.
SGM3000
10-26-2008, 02:11 PM
Blahdy Blah Oma. He looked exactly the same as he has against his previous opponents.
He just wasn't fighting someone who had piss poor stand up. I watched it, I know what I saw, and quite frankly, I see it better than most who watch it.
You think you saw a shitty fight, cool. What you saw was a technical fight where the guy who usually brawls didn't, and the end result was guys picking their shots- which doesn't get the average fans blood pressure up enough I guess.........the end sucked, but the fight itself was more interesting for me than a lot of Anderson's other fights have been simply based on the way they were moving.
Anderson is a next level fighter. He was chopping away at Cote's leg. Why did he stop?
Kicks to the midsection acgainst someone overcompensating for headshots. He landed. Why did he stop?
I'm sorry. I don't believe Anderson was taking what was given. Cote gave him more. He was playing. Again, I'm not saying he was being disrespectful per say, but he was not himself.
Seriously, he did a fucking "jog" in the 1st round.
And his reaction when Cote went down was not what I would call classy. And part of me believes it's because he KNEW he was playing around, he KNEW he could have finished the fight earlier, and didn't. And that's what upset him the most.
He has no one to blame but himself.
Like I said, you have your opinon and I have mine. I am willing to say the truth is in the middle.
But even in the middle, Anderson played way too much. And shouldn't have. Not at all in his character.
You just said he exploded with a knee, and landed, when there was no opening. So why did this only happen once? If Cote was giving no openings, Anderson was just going to lay back and do nothing?
Keep in mind, this fight was already in the 3rd round. Since when does Anderson "wait" to decimate opponents? Remember what he did to Franklin, a fighter he seems to have great respect for, at the end of the 1st round in their 2nd fight?
Made him crumble. Where was that killer instinct against Cote? It wasn't there. He was playing games.
EDIT-I'm not one for all of the back and forth. It seems like some people are going to look at Anderson as if he can do no wrong. I think you're being somewhat blind if you didn't see him act out of character last night. I think he is a phenomenal fighter. But like I said, he is not above criticism. And I think he deserves it for his display last night.
OmoPlataV3
10-26-2008, 02:15 PM
Blahdy Blah Oma. He looked exactly the same as he has against his previous opponents.
He just wasn't fighting someone who had piss poor stand up. I watched it, I know what I saw, and quite frankly, I see it better than most who watch it.
You think you saw a shitty fight, cool. What you saw was a technical fight where the guy who usually brawls didn't, and the end result was guys picking their shots- which doesn't get the average fans blood pressure up enough I guess.........the end sucked, but the fight itself was more interesting for me than a lot of Anderson's other fights have been simply based on the way they were moving.
Technical? Like as in technical dancing?
Cote has been known to just straight out pose down with people, Anderson was waiting and Cote wasnt engaging. Anderson was getting flustered and it showed bigtime.
ballsout
10-26-2008, 02:15 PM
IMO it was two heavy handed hitters with rock jaws. both knew it would be a counter punch on a nicely exposed jaw that would end the fight.
Lord Garth
10-26-2008, 02:56 PM
Come on man, we don't need 100 threads about the same topic
We obviously do. We need SGM to bang the gavel and put this issue to bed. Dumb fucks everywhere are bedildoing themselves left and right with this stupid fucking crybaby poopypants assessment of Anderson/ Cote.
A voice of reason is needed here, and it must be by a universally respected poster. I tried to provide it but nobody respects me, so i defer to SGM
Lord Garth
10-26-2008, 02:58 PM
I watched it, I know what I saw, and quite frankly, I see it better than most who watch it.
I have to concur with this ^, based on the fact that we agree
ajl416az
10-26-2008, 03:03 PM
you didnt see any shit the rest of us didnt
Cote didnt do jack shit to make Anderson not want to engage. he wasnt disrupting an attack either.
Anderson just wasnt attacking. thats all there is to it. he came in hard a couple times but never strung his offense together like he has against others
this coupled with the fact that Cote was staying away is why nothing really happened
Lord Garth
10-26-2008, 03:07 PM
you didnt see any shit the rest of us didnt No, but SGM and me are smarter than you I guess
Cote didnt do jack shit to make Anderson not want to engage. he wasnt disrupting an attack either.
Anderson just wasnt attacking. thats all there is to it. he came in hard a couple times but never strung his offense together like he has against others
this coupled with the fact that Cote was staying away is why nothing really happened
I rest my case
ajl416az
10-26-2008, 03:09 PM
lol yeah dude
you guys totally know fighting and are just so spot on i just made all that up.
the master Patrick Cote defended against Anderson's relentless assault and was taking his punishment and lasted 3 rounds because he is better then Dan Henderson.haha
/sarcasm
Anderson was fucking playing with him and you cannot fucking deny it
this is fucking ridiculous
No, but SGM and me are smarter than you I guess
That statement made me chuckle. You are clearly a genius.
Rono999
10-26-2008, 03:20 PM
I started this thread B_Amazing, and it will still be here when the others have dropped away.
This fight ended with a freak injury, and it was supposed to be a five round affair. Anderson had plenty more time to work with, it was Cote's knee that ended the fight- but I don't think people actually did see the same thing I did.
I think the bitchers are dissing Cote's game more than anything. If you know striking, you saw him doing a good job keeping Anderson from getting established.
The bitching is not warranted here, as had Cote's knee survived- he would likely have been taken down in the fourth and finished on the ground.
This is what I was telling my friend. Cote did a great job of not getting hit. It wasn't necessarily going to win him the fight, but it was keeping him from getting hit.
He never swung wildly and tried to brawl with Anderson, which is where people get knock out anyway. I'm a little disappointed in how things ended, but I can't complain about either fighter, really. Everyone needs to take the panties out of their asses.
Razzel
10-26-2008, 03:26 PM
That statement made me chuckle. You are clearly a genius.
LOL! This thread is ridiculous. As evidenced by Machida, people will defend anything to death and applaud themselves all along the way for doing so, and those of us who live in reality can only shake our heads.
Spmack 2
10-26-2008, 04:02 PM
Gotta agree with SGM,
Cote did exceptionally well, I think alot of people dont want to accept that Patrick fucking Cote did better against Silva than Franklin, Marquart and Hendo did.
I guess Anderson must've been playing around because he didn't want to hurt him or something. :rolleyes:
THE PEOPLE BITCHING NEED TO WATCH A FEW NON-UFC A SILVA FIGHTS!!!
I've seen everything he did before, in other fights.
Poor Patrick.
I guess going 2 rounds with Anderson Silva isn't enough unless you let him hit you more. :(
mjmonly
10-26-2008, 04:16 PM
Gotta agree with SGM,
Cote did exceptionally well, I think alot of people dont want to accept that Patrick fucking Cote did better against Silva than Franklin, Marquart and Hendo did.
I guess Anderson must've been playing around because he didn't want to hurt him or something. :rolleyes:
THE PEOPLE BITCHING NEED TO WATCH A FEW NON-UFC A SILVA FIGHTS!!!
I've seen everything he did before, in other fights.
Poor Patrick.
I guess going 2 rounds with Anderson Silva isn't enough unless you let him hit you more. :(
LOL! Wasn't Cote supposed to land a few shots in those two rounds ... Cote did NOTHING. Sure, I wish Anderson would've been a little more agressive but that's hard to do when your opponent isn't interested in fighting. Also, Anderson probably figured it was going to the later rounds since Cote has such a solid chin ... IMO, Anderson wanted to win the first few and then turn up the heat in the later rounds.
Also, for those who say Anderson did very little ... well, first off that HUGE knee, several good kicks, some good jabs, and the knees to the Cote's midsection at the end of round 2 were pretty awesome.
The Last Mohican
10-26-2008, 04:18 PM
Its human nature to build people up and when they get to the top to try to tear them down. Anderson is just so good right now that the cool thing to do is to root against him or say he's not really that great. Similar to Fedor, its a backlash to his success. Last nights performance is no indication that Silva isn't the real deal and Cote looked like he was in great condition mentally and physically and fought his heart out, so I give him a lot of props as well.
HeavyStriker
10-26-2008, 04:24 PM
Anderson looked like Kalib starnes last night. That fight was horrible.
Spmack 2
10-26-2008, 04:42 PM
LOL! Wasn't Cote supposed to land a few shots in those two rounds ... Cote did NOTHING. Sure, I wish Anderson would've been a little more agressive but that's hard to do when your opponent isn't interested in fighting. Also, Anderson probably figured it was going to the later rounds since Cote has such a solid chin ... IMO, Anderson wanted to win the first few and then turn up the heat in the later rounds.
Also, for those who say Anderson did very little ... well, first off that HUGE knee, several good kicks, some good jabs, and the knees to the Cote's midsection at the end of round 2 were pretty awesome.
I'm confused by the bold bit, are you saying it's Cote's fault that neither man engaged to much? What was he supposed to do, think "Oh fuck it" and run at Anderson doing the windmill? All the time Cote was "doing nothing" Anderson was dancing round him, well that's as long as you call stalking the most dangerous striker in the world doing nothing?
There was a reason Anderson wasn't engaging as much as he has in previous outings.
Watch the fight again and you'll see clearly in one of the first few exchanges that Cote hit him with the same overhand right he decked Tito and Kendal with. Not flush, but enough to let him know what's up, it was soon after that Silva started "clowning". Everytime Anderson came in Cote cut off his flurries with the same punch. Anderson fought this fight so similarly to the Lee Murray fight, it's uncanny. I think he even offered Lee his hand to get back on his feet, but I could be mistaken, I've definately seen Anderson do that somewhere before. He tasted Cote's power early and realised he wasn't going to KO Cote with one flurry so decided to pick his shots. It was a Machida-esque performance rather than Anderson not being bothered with Cote. He wanted to take minimal risk of any damage. If Cote's knee hadn't blown I have no dobt Anderson would've worn him down with leg kicks, like he did Murray, and eventually scored a ko/tko in the 4th or 5th.
Jabberwocky Supafly
10-26-2008, 04:51 PM
I didn't see much wrong with Anderson Silva last night, except when he ran laps around the octagon, that was lame and many other fighters have gotten roasted for it, why shouldn't he?
sco703
10-26-2008, 04:59 PM
I think it was a mix of Silva toying with him and Silva also being a bit frustrated. Cote was fighting smart. He wasn't being overly aggressive and was taking things slow. But there was a lot of dancing. It turned into a feel out fest. Yeah, Anderson had a couple of 'flurries' but nothing special. Cote did a good job. I wish the injury didn't happen. Kinda funny that when Silva gets challenged in the UFC, someone gets injured. I'm not hinting to any conspiracy. Obviously the injury was an injury. But it is a bit ironic.
warriorsoul
10-26-2008, 05:43 PM
I agree 100% instead of bashing Silva ppl need to be giving Cote credit, he stepped up and was delivering a great fight against a guy that was supposed to kill him inside the first couple minutes, Cote's stand up is extremely technical, his footwork and spacing is perfect, if the fight would have continued I think Silva would have been forced to exchange with him.. I thought Cote looked really strong off his back too, he's going to be a tough fight for anyone if he can stay healthy, I'd like to see him come back and redeem a couple of his past losses (Leben, Lutter, etc.)
warriorsoul
10-26-2008, 05:54 PM
LOL! Wasn't Cote supposed to land a few shots in those two rounds ... Cote did NOTHING. Sure, I wish Anderson would've been a little more agressive but that's hard to do when your opponent isn't interested in fighting. Also, Anderson probably figured it was going to the later rounds since Cote has such a solid chin ... IMO, Anderson wanted to win the first few and then turn up the heat in the later rounds.
Also, for those who say Anderson did very little ... well, first off that HUGE knee, several good kicks, some good jabs, and the knees to the Cote's midsection at the end of round 2 were pretty awesome.
Cote wasn't interested in fighting? is that why he chased Silva around the octagon the entire fight? I was wondering why he'd make Silva run and dance instead of exchanging, it must have been that Cote wasn't interested in fighting anymore.. no way did it have anything to do with Cote's skills or technique
You know, a fighter and his performance can be discussed without it being "bashing".
This is where the die hard Silva fans are being a bit emotional about it and not looking objectively.
And when did Patrick Cote become Sugar Ray Leonard to all of you with his footwork, and his spacing etc.? Where was this talk before the fight? He had a nice win streak but he was 4-4 in the UFC and his wins were not exactly against any contenders.
warriorsoul, you say if the fight had gone more rounds, "Silva would have been forced to exchange with him".
Then say Cote chased Silva. So why would Silva need to be "forced to exchange" with someone who was chasing him?
Because for some bizarre reason he chose to dance/move instead of counter OR press. And come on guys, we've seen Silva stalk fighters. He did none of that.
We've seen him throw punches and knees in incredible combinations. He did none of that.
He'd strike when he wanted to. Then dance. He was NOT fighting with the intent to finish for the first 2 rounds.
Why? I don't know. That's why we're discussing it. But making it seem like we're "bitching" and "bashing" is overboard. No one doubts Anderson.
It honestly seemed to me that he was treating Cote like a glorified sparring partner. And using him to put on a show. And that he was stretching the fight in the first 2 rounds.
Maybe I'm wrong. Maybe I'm not. Only person who knows for sure is Anderson.
SGM3000
10-26-2008, 06:12 PM
Anderson is a next level fighter. He was chopping away at Cote's leg. Why did he stop?
Dude, you are making it sound like there were moments where Anderson had Cote staggered and could continue his assault without foolishly putting himself at risk.
Kicks to the midsection acgainst someone overcompensating for headshots. He landed. Why did he stop?
I think this is the same thing. He landed shots, but he wasn't putting himself at risk.
But this isn't new for him again, either. Just watch some of his previous fights, that would be my thinking. He's made highlight reels out of guys who are pressing the action with him. Cote was not pressing hard, and was trying to set his own shots up. Anderson was taking his time, and his time was cut short.
I'm sorry. I don't believe Anderson was taking what was given. Cote gave him more. He was playing. Again, I'm not saying he was being disrespectful per say, but he was not himself.
You know something? I'm not going to disagree that he might have been playing a bit out there. I think it is entirely within the realm of possibility that Anderson was planning on taking the fight to the ground in a later round, where victory would be more easy to attain.
He didn't get a chance to do that though, and that's what makes it look bad IMO.
Seriously, he did a fucking "jog" in the 1st round.
And his reaction when Cote went down was not what I would call classy. And part of me believes it's because he KNEW he was playing around, he KNEW he could have finished the fight earlier, and didn't. And that's what upset him the most.
I wouldn't say he was being classy, but I don't think he was being that bad either.
What would have been hilarious would have been if Cote accepted his help, and Anderson punched him in the chin while he was helping him up.
Some whiners around here would FLIP over something like that, but I'd call it brilliant.
He has no one to blame but himself.
Like I said, you have your opinon and I have mine. I am willing to say the truth is in the middle.
But even in the middle, Anderson played way too much. And shouldn't have. Not at all in his character.
You just said he exploded with a knee, and landed, when there was no opening. So why did this only happen once? If Cote was giving no openings, Anderson was just going to lay back and do nothing?
Keep in mind, this fight was already in the 3rd round. Since when does Anderson "wait" to decimate opponents? Remember what he did to Franklin, a fighter he seems to have great respect for, at the end of the 1st round in their 2nd fight?
Made him crumble. Where was that killer instinct against Cote? It wasn't there. He was playing games.
EDIT-I'm not one for all of the back and forth. It seems like some people are going to look at Anderson as if he can do no wrong. I think you're being somewhat blind if you didn't see him act out of character last night. I think he is a phenomenal fighter. But like I said, he is not above criticism. And I think he deserves it for his display last night.
We don't have to go back and forth.
I agree that there probably was some playing on Anderson's part, but Cote wasn't giving him much to work with from the standing position.
I just think that this fight was going to be ended as soon as it hit the ground, but believe Anderson wanted to see what Cote had standing up before taking it to the floor, and Cote's knee blowing out put that plan to rest and wound up making Anderson look badly.
SGM3000
10-26-2008, 06:16 PM
Anderson fought this fight so similarly to the Lee Murray fight, it's uncanny. I think he even offered Lee his hand to get back on his feet, but I could be mistaken, I've definately seen Anderson do that somewhere before. He tasted Cote's power early and realised he wasn't going to KO Cote with one flurry so decided to pick his shots. It was a Machida-esque performance rather than Anderson not being bothered with Cote. He wanted to take minimal risk of any damage. If Cote's knee hadn't blown I have no dobt Anderson would've worn him down with leg kicks, like he did Murray, and eventually scored a ko/tko in the 4th or 5th.
That's what I'm talking about.
He gave Murray respect in that fight and was moving around a lot as well, not as dance-ish, but still.
Ligerbomb
10-26-2008, 06:42 PM
I liked that fight. I like Anderson Silva. If he would've finished the fight with an impressive knockout, I don't think this would've been the 8th different thread where I had to say I liked the fight. Silva landed some devastating strikes that you just don't see other fighters land. Silva stuffed a double leg by getting lower and landing a double leg of his own. He showed great class (as did Cote) with all the hand touching, bowing, etc. So he fought a little elusive. He trains with Lyoto Machida for pete's sakes. He can't show elusiveness as well? Point scorers who pose a threat for a KO when opponents get reckless belong in MMA. That's what MMA is going to be all about before long. Sorry folks.
yekmurat
10-26-2008, 06:43 PM
cote played well and came with a different style waited silva to attack him but it was silva s style too...
ballsout
10-26-2008, 09:39 PM
Silva tasted a half assed shot and wasn't going to risk it all to look cool. everbody knew Cote had a rock chin and heavy hands. Silva wasn't going to blow it all on exchanging when he could pick him apart slowly, safely and worst case senario he gets a decision.
Cote's plan was to mix it up, almost random so that Silva couldn't fid his "riddem" and take a chance that in five rounds he would land that shot.
Maybe Silva was trying to show dissresect, but IMO he obviously respected Cote's chin and punching power.
brewland
10-27-2008, 02:19 AM
People are so fucking fickle. After 7 bedazzling performances, mofos want to get on Anderson for one lackluster fight. A lot of people have been clipped during exchanges w/ Cote. Anderson was working to find his spot, and Cote really had him confounded by switching stances so much and refusing to take the bait of rushing in.
I said to my buddies that I was wondering if Cote was waiting for Anderson to charge and leave an opening like Chuck did vs. Rashad. He had to know his best chance to win win was coming from "one punch"...he said so himself. Hell, maybe Anderson watched Chuck vs. Rashad. It's clear Cote had a gameplan. Confound Anderson with a lot of defensive looks and footwork, and then land his best KO bomb.
I think the fourth round would have very telling. Eventually Anderson was going to get through and do his thing via the ground or clinch.
PatSox
10-27-2008, 01:05 PM
I started this thread B_Amazing, and it will still be here when the others have dropped away.
Bump (Just trying to help you out there Tony, this thread was on page three)
SGM3000
10-27-2008, 01:18 PM
I haven't been around to engage in discussion PatSox, so thanks for the help.
Now go to Burger King. :)
CrazyThai
10-27-2008, 01:36 PM
Blahdy Blah Oma. He looked exactly the same as he has against his previous opponents.
Exactly. Silva is a counter puncher, and in NONE of his fights in the UFC does he go out there and go on the offensive. He waits for his opponent to strike and then he counters. I just watched all of his UFC fights in a row on the Anderson Silva UFC Unleashed and it's always his opponent coming after him, and Silva countering. He does the same circling, the same head bobbing, the same hand waving. He doesn't engage at all unless his opponent goes after him. Go re-watch the fights. Everybody forgets this because he always finished his opponents.
Cote played it safe and was as cautious as possible. I give him credit for not creating any opennings, but he wasn't being aggresive at all. Silva wasn't going to just go out and not respect Cotes power and get Matt Serra-ed.
Lord Garth
10-27-2008, 01:45 PM
Cote played it safe and was as cautious as possible. I give him credit for not creating any opennings, but he wasn't being aggresive at all. Silva wasn't going to just go out and not respect Cotes power and get Matt Serra-ed.
Ba ba ba ba bing!
As hard as the fans are on GSP for taking a loss, Anderson Silva isnt about to make the same mistake. Anderson Silva knows something that the dildos talking shit dont: that if he does something stupid he gets beaten.
If Anderson bought into what the fans thought of him, he becomes Chuck Liddell. Chuck used to be a boring counter puncher, then he beat Randy Couture 2x and decided he was an unbeatable god whose fights were merely formalities
SGM,
When I was talking about his reaction to Cote going down, I meant after the fight, not during when he offered to help him up.
He had a look of disgust on his face when his opponent went down with an injury. At first I thought he didn't believe Cote was really injured....
Then I thought to myself it was because he knew he should have finished earlier, but "stretched" the fight and played games, just to have his opponent collapse to injury in the 3rd.
As mad as many of us are at Anderson for that display, I think he may have been mad at himself as well.
Look, you've admitted that he was playing. Would he do that against an opponent he respected? Nope.
And all this talk about him picking his shots without putting himself at risk I think is a bit much. It's a fight. There is always a risk. He walked down Dan Henderson. Who's right hand is TNT.
Yet suddenly Cote is a problem? I'm just not buying it guys. He was playing around.
parsons99
10-27-2008, 03:38 PM
I was really enjoying the fight up to that point. Both fighters didn't want to risk too much, and had a lot of respect for each others striking. I saw it as a chess match, although a lot of people didnt. I could not have been more dissapointed when it was over.
TitoOrtizIsAPunk
10-27-2008, 03:46 PM
I was really enjoying the fight up to that point. Both fighters didn't want to risk too much, and had a lot of respect for each others striking. I saw it as a chess match, although a lot of people didnt. I could not have been more dissapointed when it was over.
Well said .
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